But Krieg was Kryptonite for southpaw quarterbacks, and he had one last quarterback controversy left in him. Steelers, Rams Set Offensive Line Continuity Records, XFL Week 7 Preview: St. Louis, Houston Scrap for Second, Most Overvalued Players in a 2023 Fantasy Football Draft, Rams Limp to the Front of 2022's DVOA Underachievers, XFL Week 6 Review: D.C. In the 1991 NFL Draft, the Seahawks used their first round pick on another quarterback of the future, Dan McGwire. Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! It was the forerunner toManning-Leaf. I'm fuzzy on the details, but I have fond memories of his days in Miami, even though I mostly remember him in Kansas doing his thing for the Chiefs. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. For a guy with a Super Bowl MVP, an MVP, and 151 touchdown passes to his name, Mahomes, believe it or not, has some of the NFLs smallest hands. I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. Krieg was completely immobile at this point. I had forgotten the Rams play, that's got to be one of the greatest plays in history. My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. Of course I remember him. ", That late surge only brought a small measure of job security, however. There's something oddly poetic about Dave Krieg giving up a record number of sacks in a game, then scrambling around to barely avoid giving up an 8th sack, and then winning the game with an improbable long touchdown pass. He was the hottest thing on the planet in October of 93 as many believed Miami couldnt win a game without Marino. In 1986, Krieg played well initially, leading the Seahawks to a 53 record. Truly one of the most miserably bad games of all time. Wheeeee!!!!!! When that remedy failed to avert a four-game losing streak, Knox gave Krieg another chance. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). It actually made some sense why Reeves turned to DeBerg when things were tough in 1998, even though DeBerg was only slightly younger than Bob Hope at the time. The Seahawks would go 4-3 down the stretch and beat John Elway's Broncos and Dan Marino's Dolphins in the playoffs before losing to the Raiders in the AFC Championship Game. But when Zorn suffered a broken ankle in 1981, Patera surprised everyoneincluding Kriegby naming Krieg the starter. By this point, "small hands" had been added to "played for a college that no longer exists" in Krieg's short-form resume, and he's still third (behind Brett Favre and Warren Moon) on the all-time fumble list. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1998 season. In recognition of this impressive performance, Krieg's NFL peers named him to his first Pro Bowl. The Kansas City Chiefs sacked Krieg 9 times, including an NFL-record 7 sacks by linebacker Derrick Thomas. I was about to jump in to defend Dave Krieg, and say, "You're not giving him enough credit! However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. But the career leader in quarterback fumbles is none Once he became a starter, he was never not above average, usually well above average, except in a year where he couldn't get to 200 attempts due to injury. Krieg is one of the main reasons for the Seahawks finishing 12-4 in 1984 (season Curt Warner got injured in the 1st game and missed the rest of the season). His college teams had a 14-30 record in games he started (not exactly in a power conference either), and he was brutal his senior year, completing fewer than 55% of his passes with twice as many INTs as TDs (7-14). His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. Kreig Kreig Hrm, you reckon this young whipper-snapper means old Mudbone outta Milton College? "We just decided to make a change to hopefully get some spark in there and be able to make some plays we haven't been making," Knox said. Oh, and he has the smallest hands among all current NFL starting quarterbacks. Patera tried to fine players half of their game checks for the gesture, which would have cost Zorn $9,000. [11] Krieg came off the bench and ignited a dynamic offense showcasing the talents of running back Barry Sanders and wide receiver Herman Moore. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). It was Zorn's second straight terrible game at home, and Kingdome fans booed their former hero. The World League castoff Stan Gelbaugh was somehow the best QB on the roster (and he was god awful). Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. [4] He and Dave Kraayeveld (who also played for the Seahawks) are the only NFL players to have attended Milton College.[5]. WebCheckout the latest stats for Dave Krieg. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. *DeBerg goes into coaching and becomes the Giants quarterbacks coach in 1995-1996; Reeves was the Giants' head coach and hired DeBerg. "Dave has a lot of vision on the field," Largent said in a Miami Herald feature during the 1983 playoffs. The Packers narrowly held off the Lions for a 38-30 win. Coming from a small college, I didn't feel like I had any resources to fall back to for help outside of football. Jets link has been fixed. He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. However, the 10-6 Seahawks failed to qualify for the playoffs. Bizarrely, Seattle (6-10 in 1981) handed the 10-5-1 Jets their only two losses of the 1981 season after New York's 0-3 start. Zorn's playing career fizzled out soon after Krieg took his job. "You really don't like to play musical chairs with your quarterbacks at this point in the season but it's something we feel we have to do," Knox said. Krieg also played well in Miami the following week, but the Dolphins defeated the Seahawks and went on to lose Super Bowl XIX. Seattle Mariners @ Oakland Athletics May 2-4. Raiders legend Tom Flores stepped down from the front office to replace him. And his DVOA record only backs that up. In the spring of 1989, Krieg competed in NBC's prestigious Superstars competition, a series of physical challenges pitting athletes from various sports against one another. Although Mitchell's erratic play contributed to the team's poor 4-5 start,[27] coach Wayne Fontes stuck with the young quarterback as his starter until an injury sidelined him in mid-season. Garrett Gilbert, Gale's son, made an emergency start for the Cowboys last year. [19], During the offseason, the Seahawks acquired Kelly Stouffer from the Phoenix Cardinals, and began to groom him as the franchise quarterback of the future.[20]. Players shook hands with opponents as a sign of union solidarity before preseason games in 1982, and the usual suspects reacted as if they were burning puppies cradling bibles wrapped in flags. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. I remember when 44 year old Deberg started a game for the 1998 Falcons (one of their 2 losses that season). If Dave Krieg hadn't interfered in 1992, DeBerg would have been replaced by Montana a second time, this time with the Chiefs,in 1993. On a team with a moron GM. See Photos. I always felt Krieg was underrated and never got his due. Krieg and the Seahawks had a down year in 1985. The Seahawks went 4-3 down the stretch, though Zorn had less to do with their success than a strong defense led by Kenny Easley and Jacob Green, and perhaps the fact that the players no longer despised their coach and vice-versa. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. [29] The team went 4-12, which resulted in head coach Buddy Ryan and Krieg losing their jobs. Stroud Falls to Colts in GTM's Final Mock Draft, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets: Low Floor, Low Ceiling, QBASE 2023: Why Bryce Young Tops C.J. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! He saw the field only once, taking a few snaps with two incompletions in the final game in 1980,[6] the Seahawks' ninth straight loss in a disappointing 412 season in which they lost all eight home games. Moreover, his steady play helped the Seahawks eliminate the reigning Super Bowl champion Raiders in a wild card showdown in the Kingdome. Patera was the only head coach in team history, and he led them to 9-7 records in 1978 and 1979. "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. Even though he wasn't playing by the time the Youre legally obligated to mention "There isn't anything particularly outstanding I can tell you about Kelly Stouffer other than he has a good arm, he's tall, and he can move around pretty good," Knox said of the quarterback his team traded a first-round pick for. I loved the guy as a kid and QBs turned it over more in those days butoof. FactSnippet No. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. "I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was". Krieg signed with the Lions in April of 1994. After hovering around .500 forever for Knox and playing for Schottenheimer and Ryan, Krieg was destined to end up with Fisher. Does being in the top half of the league in DVOA make Kreig a top-5 all time Bears QB? You are using an out of date browser. WebDave Krieg As a professional athlete, he has represented various famous NFL teams like- Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs, Detriot Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears , Scroll down on this page to "A Good Walkthrough Spoiled. I got my picture taken with him at a signing event at a bar during some pregame festivities a few years ago, he looked just about the same as his playing days. Consistently inconsistent. That quote would have kept the midday sport talk industry busy for a month if the industry existed back then. Krieg has now been Krieg made a handful of spot starts, then was forced into the lineup when Montana was injured against the Bills in the AFC Championship Game. Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. Raiders in the American Football Conference Championship Game. I used to claim that he must have been before my time. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. I was about to jump in by Joey-Harringto. Sign Up. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. The Seahawks would not reach the playoffs again after Krieg's departure until Paul Allen bought the team and Mike Holmgren took over as head coach in 1999. "I wish I had an arm like John Elway but I don't," Krieg said in the same article. Krieg has now been surpassed by both Brett Favre and Warren Moon for career fumbles. WebLegendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. "[Krieg] got 21 points on the board for us," he said. *DeBerg traded to the Broncos shortly before the 1981 season; Reeves was in his first year as the Broncos head coach. Dave Krieg was under center the first time I saw a Seahawks game in person. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. Packers defender Sean Jones said after the game that he was wary of Krieg coming off the bench. Pickett, of course, need not fear that his smaller-than-usual NFL phalanges will betray him at the next level. Keenum, on the other hand, has a grand total ofoneseason (2017) where his passing DVOA wasn't below average or worse. How much better he was is a matter of debate: five finishes among the top 5 in DVOA for Romo suggest that they are close. Some of our best years, pre-Holmgren. Scott Mitchell was the poster boy for falling in love with small sample sizes. 1988 SEAHAWKS: Had his worst game as a pro replacing injured Dave Krieg in loss to 49ers in Week 4. Does anyone else remember the Cortez Kennedy commercial? So Knox built an offense out of deep strikes to Largent and Turner, touch passes to Largent, and lots of swing passes to fullback types. They were merely average for someone of his 6-foot-5 stature. "He picks out secondary and tertiary receivers. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. He attended Milton College in his home state of Wisconsin and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. However, Krieg's pedestrian performance on the road in the playoffs contributed to the Seahawks' swift elimination at the hands of the top-seeded Cincinnati Bengals. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. We know you are here for the FREE analytics, not the ads. I think if you hang around here enough you'll see there's plenty of us who remember Neil Graff, Bill Munson and the lefty from Cal Poly-Pomona. As it turns out, hands under nine inches arent My favorite memory was when CBS named him as the player of the game but spelled his name wrong on the graphic. In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. Maybe! As an aside, I won a FF championship with him as my starter for half a season during his Chicago year. The Day Kansas City Drafted Patrick Mahomes, Aidan O'Connell, Tanner McKee, and the Day 3 QBs, Jaxon Smith-Njigba Highlights Deep Class of WRs, Most Undervalued Players in a 2023 Fantasy Football Draft, Colts Take Will Levis in Latest Mock Draft. Again, his passer rating told the tale: 3 horrible games (below 50), 4 mediocre ones (50s and 60s), 5 good efforts (70s and 80s), and 4 outstanding performances (90s or better). In reply to We're talking about this in by Mike Tanier. It's the link to the first Jets game of the season (Krieg played in the second). And as is the norm with all the draft pundits and analysts and supposed professional scouts, this is somehow a significant point of contention when projecting Picketts career. He's now a high school coach and autism activist. Like Romo, Krieg rose from the bottom of the bench to have some fabulous seasons, as well as some not-so-fabulous ones. Patera was the oldest of the old school: a 1950s linebacker who managed the Purple People Eaters as the Vikings' defensive line coach. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. After breaking his thumb in the season opener, Krieg missed six games in 1991. He was benched after throwing four interceptions against the Chiefs the following week; rookie backup Gale Gilbert came on and threw a fifth. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth-smallest hands among current starters. "[39], For many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. I liked DeBerg, he had really, really mean hand-off fakes often leading to play-action bombs. Cranky coaches! [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. He also earned the "Ground Chuck" nickname: his Rams finished first or second in the NFL in rushing attempts four times, and his Bills finished second in 1980 and fourth in 1982. "He's got a big-league arm. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. Krieg by then 38 years old came off the bench and helped rally an injury-wracked Bears team to a respectable 66 finish. Yeah, it doesnt look any better in writing. Rhome did not mince words when talking about his two quarterbacks in an AP story which ran on August 3, 1982. Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. It closed in 1982. Lefty passers! Had some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some small hands?) Someone even wrote a book about it that was the partial basis for an ESPN 30 for 30 of the same name. On rare occasions, Krieg would mop up in garbage time or take a knee at the end of a game. By the end of his first full season as a starter, Krieg's story was already becoming a trope. Then a strike erased two months. "People talk about the arm strength of quarterbacks," said Seahawks quarterback coach Ken Meyer in a Krieg profile during the 1984 playoffs. Krieg threw 18 touchdown passes in the regular season and four more in the two playoff wins before getting intercepted three times by the eventual Super Bowl champions. NFL's management counsel consulted with the National Labor Relations Board and ordered the fines rescinded. Then he pulled a Benjamin Button and went slowly backwards after that. Krieg placed third overall, behind Willie Gault and Herschel Walker. Honestly, I'd just love to read some more detailed stories about about how DeBerg and Montana were good friends off the field who competed relentlessly at everything during their two plus seasonstogether on the 49ersbefore DeBerg was traded to Denver shortly before the 1981 NFL season started. Patera's attitude toward unions was predictable. I may do it next offseason! They werent small either. Krieg would feel his absence, throwing more interceptions (20) than touchdowns (15) in 1990. Its buildings are now libraries, churches, and apartments in a small-town historic district. He played most of his career with coaches who practically hated their quarterbacks, or at least the modern passing offenses those quarterbacks represented. Completed only 1 of 12 passes In the year's first game, Krieg set a team record by throwing his 108th touchdown;[11] in less than four years as a starter, Krieg had broken a record Zorn had compiled over more than seven starting seasons. And he wasn't a 26-year-old with a big contract. His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). [42], Krieg is now a motivational speaker and real estate investor in Phoenix, Arizona. He was quite possibly the greatest "trick-or-treat" QB in NFL history. Largent, who retired as the NFL's all-time leading receiver, represented his native Oklahoma in Congress for eight years. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. [26] Two weeks later, at the AFC Championship Game in Buffalo, Montana sustained a concussion and left the game in the third quarter. I was in the Army in Germany during the late 80's - early 90s seasons. The Arizona Cardinals rewarded Krieg for his 1994 performance by signing him to be their starting quarterback in 1995. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. You would think that that wouldve precluded Brady from throwing 624 touchdowns and winning seven Super Bowls somewhere along the way. Come to find out Jack Patera didn't tell me all week because he thought I'd get too dang nervous. Krieg would suffer a shoulder injury late in what became an up-and-down season, and the Seahawks finished 8-8. WebHes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. Stouffer stepped in and led the Seahawks to a pair of wins, mostly by handing off to Warner and John L. Williams. Krieg took over in the second half. He's way better than DeBerg!" Web@andeparks I was there too! They alternated pairs of wins and then losses the entire season (2-0, 2-2, 4-2, 4-4, etc. He went 1-of-3 for 10 yards while being sacked twice. He placed first in the basketball and rowing events, beating athletes including Gault, Walker, Randall Cunningham, Evander Holyfield, and Carl Lewis. Krieg has Krieg said Patera wouldn't allow players to drink water during 90-degree training camp two-a-days, which wasn't that unusual back then. "When I got another chance that made me realize how fortunate I was to play in the National Football League," Krieg said during that December hot streak. OK, the surprise game-opening bomb was a pretty standard tactic for run-oriented playcallers. To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. With something weird NFL in rti but not sure if have desire anymroe. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com. In relief, Krieg threw just one pass, a 23-yard touchdown. Zorn, meanwhile, was getting into hot water with Patera, possibly for criticizing the offensive line, possibly for visibly supporting the NFL Players Association in the weeks leading up to a work stoppage. Krieg also became part owner of the af2's Green Bay Blizzard in 2007 along with former Green Bay Packer linebacker Brian Noble. Undrafted in 1980, Krieg tried out for the Seahawks and caught on as a third-string quarterback. Lol. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. Nice to see DVOA back up these intuitions. I moved to the Seattle area in 1983-84 and vividly remember the Zorn vs. Krieg debates. Dave Krieg. Krieg's streaks, slumps, hoary feel-good story and late-career travels prompt comparisons to Fitzpatrick. But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik. Together, Montana and Krieg led the Chiefs to an 115 record and an AFC West Championship. I always enjoyed watching Krieg. Of course his performance in December was the real Mitchell, but that didnt stop the Lions.
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