10. Enochs father was Jared, whose name means go down and it was believed that it was during his generation when the watchers descended. 8. The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal text. Even Homer explains that the leaders of the Greeks and the Trojans armies were very large warriors. CHAPTER XV. 6. Interestingly, the Jews did have an anecdote; Genesis chapter 11, that was reflected in the writings of Second Isaiah. While we typically imagine Noah building a ship to carry his family and animals, ancient biblical art depicts the ark as a simple wooden box with legs, as in this well-preserved mosaic floor found at the site of Mopsuestia in Turkey. A Futile Quest: The Search for Noahs Ark. In his own words it is the most unbiblical biblical film ever made. Last week, a 21-year-old airman from Massachusetts, Jack Teixeira, was arrested under the Espionage Act and charged with violating federal laws by sharing top secret military documents with an . Hear, hear, Douglas #47! ),fits the description of they were heroes of old, the men of renown (Genesis 6:5). Everybody heard his predictions of destruction. The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable.. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.. And the Lord said unto Michael: Go, bind Semjz and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. 22:30. Who could rightly disagree with the Master.. Havent seen Noah in DVD format yet, but I saw another flim that starred the same actor who played Noah. think not that the bible was changed and libraries burnt down? Somebody obviously knew what they were doing when they made this film. The question becomes one of when to transliterate into English a capital G for heavenly elohiym or lower case g for earthly elohiym. 7. Im not going to get deep on this conversation, but would like to put my 2 cents worth in. CHAPTER VII. However, the original translation from the Septuagint and Qumran scroll 4QDeut reads that the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of Elohim. There were 70 sons of Israel that settled in Egypt (Exodus 1:5) and 70 is also the number of the Canaanite pantheon, the sons of El. Noah actually entered the Ark seven days prior to this. In Genesis 6 the context is to earthly powers because the these earthly powers (god, if you please) are engaging in sex producing offspring, something heavenly powers cannot do, period. The two become friends and embarked on an expedition for timber (which, according to Gene B.s comment #24 made Gigamesh a nephilim, or feller) and they kill the guardian of the cedar forest which brings a decree from the gods that Enkidu must die. God told Noah to build an ark. Noah was perhaps the most unlikely seaman. 20. He builds an altar, and offers sacrifices, 21. which God accepts, and promises to curse the earth no more. and it is assumed that the folks back then would have had more information on the subject that was eventually lost. By submitting above, you agree to our privacy policy. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and From the giant Rock Giants who help Noah build the Ark and the murderous killing spree Noah embarks on to purge mankind of evil, to the not-so-subliminal messages against the wanton destruction of flora and fauna, the movie takes many liberties to tell a good story, but the plot-line fails to meet the biblical text. Now were getting somewhere, finally, Paul, youve become a good student. The book of Genesis does not have one scribe only, it is a book which means beginnings, plural, more than one beginning, each beginning seemingly accounted for by three different scribes, Enoch, Noah & Moses. Gilgamesh was said to have waged military campaigns and the extended tours of duty caused an outcry among the people of Uruk and this is the setting in which Enkidu arrives from the wilderness; He, Enkidu, and his beasts had intruded on the stalkers place (tablet 1 column 2). when the account in Genesis was thought to have been composed. [paragraph continues] 11. 2nd Every other reference in the OT to sons of God clearly refer to NOT fallen angels. That is best wish for all involved, what the devil made for evil, God can turn it for good. In ancient Israel, they used clay replicas of goddesses as an inexpensive way to connect to their beliefs. So the idea of the ark being a box shape is probably correct albeit WITHOUT legs! Photo by Klaus-Peter Simon, own work, CC BY 3.0. But Gene, you continue to miss the most important issue concerning all this conjecture contained in the Noah movie. And they said one to another: The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying up to the gates of heaven. . People scoffed, but Noah believed God and survived the greatest catastrophe the world has ever known. Weve seen the failed social experiments of the Taliban and other spin-off extremist movements that forbid women to work so that the leaders get to pick which ones to marry after denying them education and perpetuating a cycle of poverty. I have to agree with Kurt. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days, including the 40 days of rain (Genesis 7:12, 17, 24; 8:1). The last time that happened was just after a 1000 year sea stagnation period then MWP1B and sea-level rose by 26.7 feet in 100 years and continued to rise at over a inch per years for several thousand years, The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal text. That alone ought to give you some clues for what is occurring here. This is called poetic license, and there is nothing wrong with it. Dont delay in accepting His salvation. In fact, Noah implored all mankind to escape the flood. AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH,,,,. I saw the movie. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azzl: to him ascribe all sin. 9. The only way, as Jesus said. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: You should intercede for men, and not men for you: 3. Noah, being commanded, goes forth from the ark. That fact that the Gentiles had superior technology was adressed in the book of Watchers in which the watchers taught the people inventions that werent nesessarily beneficial if their aim was to corrupt by promoting vice. Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. In the Sumerian myth Cattle and Grain, the first generation of the gods known as Anunnaki (sky gods), knew not the eating of bread, knew not the dressing of garments, ate plants with their mouth like sheep, drank water from the ditch. Frequently human rulers are referred to as elohiym, eg, Ex 21:6, Ex 22:8, Ex 22:9. By keeping in conformity with the state-approved religion, people could climb up the social ladder, even if their brains were shaped like bricks and hardened in the oven. When Enoch confronts the Watchers about their impending doom, they implore him to intercede on their behalf. 8. All this inside the first six chapters of Genesis. OR, the Bible, the book of Enoch, etc., are full of metaphor, simile, and figure of speech. Check this out if you really want to know where he got his ideas: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/04/noah-the-kabbalah-and-gnosticism/. Its also apparent that the divine appellative Yahweh Elohim in Genesis chapter 2 denotes a Jehovist tradition that borrows from the mythology of other belief systems as well as the book of Exodus that originally used the generic designation of the native belief system of the Canaanite pantheon of El, the Father of Mankind; as in, they beheld Elohim, and they ate and drank (Exodus 24:11). Noah built the ark, filled it with pairs of every kind of animal, and prepared for the flood.. The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deuteronomy 29:29. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. 9. I think that is the moral lesson of the rock giants in "Noah.". The standing stones at Gobekli Tepe were carved in the form of predatory creatures the significance of which eludes us. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. This is consistant with Gods explanation to Job about the building material used to construct the earth, when the morning stars sang together, and the sons of Elohim shouted for joy (Job 38:7). The Bible's answer. In the movie they show a glimpse of the oyster bar where thats all you eat, giving it that turn of the century nostalgia. By means of this book he obtained divine power, and he became able to cast spells upon folk (Egyptian Magic by E.A. VI-XI. Point 3 Teslave told people that he got his insights in to electricity from demons. 10. Good exegesis, Paul D., but this debate over Elohim with a small g (gods) and a large G (God) is becoming like that Saturday Night Live skit spoofing a commercial advertisement where two men are arguing over over a small can; Its shaving cream! Its whipped cream! Then Chevy Chase steps in and says, Its a shaving cream AND a whipped cream!. However, the sons of the true God, referred to at Genesis 6:2, are actually angels Making them out to be hard done by and or the Saviors. Calculations suggest that the first stars to form, out of hydrogen and helium produced in the Big Bang, would be 100 times as massive as the Sun and would rapidly explode, scattering heavier elements like oxygen, carbon, nitrogen and iron the stuff of planets and life into space to serve as material for a new generation of stars. Please, tell me you do because if you do not I can only wonder what next off the wall commentary like #17 Steve will be forthcoming.. There was obviously a very advanced culture that disappeared some 5 to 7000 years ago. I simply cannot conceive of the possibility that mixing the mind of Christ with the minds of men can lead to greater truth, but thats what happened in Gen 6 where mythology of ancient cultures are being inserted to clarify Gen 6:2 as promulgated in the Noah movie. We . = flame of fire. I once read where Jerome wrote to a female parishoner that he wanted to see repentant tears in her hollow cheek, which to me is a red flag that these fallen angels or watchers were perhaps religious figures who conspired to make women subserviant. There was also a lost book of Giants of which only a fragment remained in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azzl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Ddl, and cast him therein. How foolish to build an ark on dry ground with the sun shining and life moving forward as usual! And since when does God bless the evil acts of satan with men of renown? So why does ancient biblical art depict Noahs ark in this unusual way? And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. Noah made the ARK in 40 days the rains/storm lasted for 40days.The Israelites walked through the desert for 40 days the Tower of BABEL was built in 40 days Jesus Christ fasted for 40days. I know you will probably take this as an affront to your post & I dont intend for it to sound insulting, but fantasies are a huge hinrance to the truth. I know of scripture stating at the fall of certain angels from their first estate who became bound by chains in darkness awaiting judgement, but if they are bound then I feel quite assured they are not out copulating & socializing with other beings, much less humans. Perhaps then it was the first generation of giants who were indeed mighty ones in their ability to construct the temple at Gobekli Tepe at a time when humans were hunter-gatherers. Why wouldnt they show the giants as good guys, helping Gods chosen? As with any ancient tale, there are numerous theories as to why this cataclysmic event occurred. Exploring Genesis: The Bibles Ancient Traditions in Context, Lost Roman Army Camps Discovered in Jordan, Lavish New Kingdom Tomb Uncovered at Saqqara. Why did Noah build the Ark in 40 days? We can be like Noah by obeying God in our wicked . Jesus, Jude,Peter, Daniel and other Biblical writers quote the book of Enoch. But we shall miss her sorely. Reference:Insight on the Scriptures, Vol I. The ancients loved to use symbolism to represent stories, people and events. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever. though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the childrenof men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. Referring to your above post. Are they merely an invention by Hollywood scriptwriters? And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. It is likely that the cubit of Noahs world was longer than the accepted 18 inches. Point 4 Today men splice DNA to create new attributes in one species from another species. God then gave Noah orders to build an enormous Ark that was some 1,400,000 cubic feet, shaped like a modern-day battleship, and big enough to house some 522 modern-day railroad boxcars. Noah was off to a new start with his family and a heap of animals that fared a lot better than live trading sheep bound for the Middle East. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. Gene R, then how in the world did that writer Know (?) Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Noahs building project took 100 years as people heard Noah declare Gods warning, but only Noah and his family climbed aboard the great boat with the animals. Recent x-rays of Ramses IIIs mummy reveal that he probably died immediately from his wound: Paul, I would have to agree with commentator Howard # 11, that the book of Enoch was an authoritative source for early Christians. In the Noah story, God asked him to construct the Ark because the flood was going to destroy every disbeliever on that area. The judgment was sealed because of the sin of lawlessness, robbery, or wrongdoing (chamas). to give in Chapter 81, star references to about 12,500 years before Christ: with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. The ark was finished. God told Noah that he, his wife, and his three sons and their wives ( Genesis 6:14-18) 3 would go aboard the Ark at this same time. Howard-West / Lock Gate, The Riddle Lords Secrets. This was in direct rebellion against Gods assignment for angels. Required fields are marked *. God caused it in order to destroy the wicked people, but he had Noah build an ark to preserve the good people and the animals. God sent a wind, then for 150 days the water steadily went down. President Spencer W. Kimball explained that when Noah built the ark, "there was no evidence of rain and flood. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. Your email address will not be published. Jeanne, read John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.., this is speaking of Christ himself. The information below is from Nave's Topical Bible. Check out The Descent of the Gods at http://www.thedescentofthegods.com for example. No, I see you do not understand the translation & transliteration differences that occur between languages. JB Richards 17 And then shall all the righteous escape,And shall live till they beget thousands of children,And all the days of their youth and their old ageShall they complete in peace. 22:30. Who could rightly disagree with the Master. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. Such a disappointment. The coin dates to the mid-third century C.E. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels: the Messianic Kingdom (a Noah fragment). In Genesis 6 sons of God is literally transliterated as sons of powers, it becomes a matter of who the powers are as to whether the reference is to earthly powers or the supreme powers in heaven. Noah said to the people, "Return from your evil ways and deeds." They did not change in those 120 years. Shall yield up all their virtue, all their fame ignobly, Traditions such as Elohim is name for God. For which the world erelong a world of tears must weep.. 2. Photo by Klaus-Peter Simon, own work, CC BY 3.0 Not so fast! 1. The water was so deep it covered the tops of the mountains by more than 20 feet. In its expansion of the flood account we are introduced to the Watchers, fallen angels who mated with human women and produced offspringthe Nephilim, the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown of Genesis 6:4or giants. In this milieu the psilocybin-containg mushrooms were encountered, consumed, and deified. p. 35 The constellations are also used throughout the Bible to depict a story or certain event. In the book, Winter Tales by Mark Helprin (not Mark Halperin, the conservative spin doctor), from what I remember from 3 decades ago, begins with the parents who couldnt get through immigration at Ellis Island and place their infant like Moses in a miniature boat which was recieved by Native American Indians somewhere in the marshes of Jersey (apparently they were there in the late 19th century, according to this work of fiction).When he grew up he went to Manhattan and the first thing he did when he saw the painted ladies was perform the foot-stomping mating ritual with extended arms holding a flask of beer and raw fish which none responded to. The Blasphemous movie was Satans way of twisting the truth of scripture and making the ignorant feel some sort of sympathy toward the Demons. Chill out! Genesis 7:11: 40: 40 days and nights: 3rd month, 27th day of the month: Rain fell for 40 days, and then water covered the earth's highest places (at that time) by over ~20 feet (15 cubits) and began the stage of flooding until the next milestone.2: Genesis 7:11-12, Genesis 7:17-20: 150 These were rare events, but God had given his angels the power to materialize as humans, a power that has evidently been taken away from the angels who sinned. Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano . He built an ark with room for more. If all the translations in existence would simply revise their texts to comport with the oldest Codices concerning the diverse spellings associated with deity, a lot of confusion concerning proper usages of those terms would be set aside. No convoluted numerology, no mysticism. Mesopotamian creation myths, Josephs relationship with Egyptian temple practices and 3 tales of Ur, the birthplace of Abraham. 1. Oh, really now? When the floodwater receded, Noah and his family exited the ark. 1. Everything on land that needed to breath would die except for those on Noahs ark. The only way a person can be saved from the eternal consequences of their rebellion against God is to turn from that sin and trust in the Savior Jesus Christthe way, the truth, and the life. But he believed God. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. They picture would have had some merit if the credits would have started rolling once they got on the ark. That only he and his sons participated in the building of the ark. Kislev 27 (early winter): Forty days of rain end; beginning of 150 days of water's swelling and churning.. Sivan 1 (early summer): Water calms and begins to subside at the rate of one cubit . .then you move right on forward & disagree with these scriptures. While the movie had my interest initially for its flood special effects and the like, the final 3rd of the movie completely ruined any entertainment value this fiction weakly based on reality may have had. Genesis reveals that "Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters came upon the earth" (Gen. 7:6). Genesis is simple It is not a simplification of the older but the ur-story before. Why Noah build the Ark in 40 days? There the partnership society arose and flourished, there hunter-gatherer culture slowly gave way to domestication of animals and plants. being studiously accurate is not condescending & most especially not venomous. But Id like to talk about Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Does this article mean that the Genesis article of Noah and The Flood is not accurate? Talk about Greek Mythology sounding like oddballistic mysticism, Jewish mysticism is right out of the same vein of occultism, what with two Eves & on it goes. Unsealing it is a REVELATION AND SHOCKING. 5. 2023 BGEA Why are you trying to make the movie Noah fit with the Bible? That stuff is the material from which mythology is derived. to give in Chapter 81, star references to about 12,500 years before Christ: with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. At other times the angel Gabriel materialized to Daniel and to Mary. The exact opposite of Christs clearly worded statements, this is not a fantasy God implores the human race to enjoy. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore. That this instruction from the Lord to build the ark came when he was approximately 500 years old. How long were Noah and his family on the ark? When we trust in God, we have the opportunity to see the fruits of our labor. After its own kind (animal & human).., yep its right there in Genesis, its the simple reason humans cannot have relations with horses & life forms of half human & half horse are produced.
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